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[8/18/06 12:16 AM] -->| dveditz (dveditz@moz-452E74B8.cruzio.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:16 AM] =-= Mode #developers +o dveditz by ChanServ [8/18/06 12:16 AM] -->| NeilAway (neil@moz-8A2C3F43.adsl.newnet.co.uk) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:17 AM] * Mook wonders what platform timeless needs it on [8/18/06 12:17 AM] -->| jwatt (roslea@jwatt.irc.users.mozilla.org) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:17 AM] * Mook usually uses utorrent (win32 only) [8/18/06 12:17 AM] windows or unix [8/18/06 12:17 AM] i'm not very picky [8/18/06 12:17 AM] if it needs ports other than 80 then windows [8/18/06 12:18 AM] well, normally they need at least one port to be performant :) [8/18/06 12:18 AM] (inbound, of course :p ) [8/18/06 12:18 AM] i really only have 80 on unix :) [8/18/06 12:19 AM] i'm not really sure performant matters [8/18/06 12:19 AM] i have banwidth [8/18/06 12:19 AM] band [8/18/06 12:19 AM] I'm sure you can set a unix client (such as azureus) to listen on port 80 [8/18/06 12:19 AM] you generally can't listen to port 80 on unix [8/18/06 12:19 AM] oh, i want something that doen't require me to think [8/18/06 12:20 AM] apache's listening on 80 [8/18/06 12:20 AM] I meant more because of lack of rootness, but sure :) [8/18/06 12:20 AM] i mean that client apps can only speak to servers via 80 [8/18/06 12:20 AM] there's no way my box could listen on any ports :) [8/18/06 12:20 AM] oh, so outbound to port 80 only? err... I don't think that's going to generally work with any client [8/18/06 12:21 AM] since most other people won't have it on port 80 :p [8/18/06 12:21 AM] -->| Neil_ (neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:21 AM] hm, darin sr'd adding an IDL file with a contract ID [8/18/06 12:22 AM] =-= Neil_ is now known as NeilZZZ [8/18/06 12:24 AM] |<-- mw22_away has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 12:25 AM] -->| sayrer (chatzilla@moz-D9DB9F78.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:27 AM] -->| argic (eric@95E1694D.7801A9A4.557DA521.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:27 AM] |<-- philor has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: sleepytime) [8/18/06 12:28 AM] <--| argic has left #developers [8/18/06 12:32 AM] |<-- WeirdAl has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]) [8/18/06 12:33 AM] -->| navin (chatzilla@83E5B1C3.DC8F0856.547774E7.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:34 AM] <--| navin has left #developers [8/18/06 12:35 AM] |<-- brendan has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: brendan) [8/18/06 12:37 AM] -->| beaufour (beaufour@7EFA3CC7.F7E013BB.53FE62F.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:38 AM] -->| glazou (daniel@2D8FB7E9.FB8B17DB.34E6C24D.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:39 AM] bonjour [8/18/06 12:39 AM] bonjour glazou [8/18/06 12:39 AM] -->| laurentj (laurentj@moz-204094DD.disruptive-innovations.fr) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:39 AM] feeling better today? [8/18/06 12:39 AM] hi glazou, beaufour [8/18/06 12:39 AM] bah [8/18/06 12:40 AM] hi smaug [8/18/06 12:40 AM] how's Finland? (The Netherlands is rainy....) [8/18/06 12:40 AM] |<-- biesi_ has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Verlassend) [8/18/06 12:40 AM] päivää smaug [8/18/06 12:40 AM] It has hasn't been this dry summer in Finland in last 100 years [8/18/06 12:41 AM] bonjour glazou [8/18/06 12:41 AM] huomenta glazou [8/18/06 12:42 AM] beaufour: i live on the 4 floor of my condo; guy on ground floor died in april, guy on 1st floor died in may, woman on 3rd has alzheimer, woman on 4th floor just died ; lovely, isn't it ? [8/18/06 12:42 AM] smaug, I heard about the russian forest fires. crazy. [8/18/06 12:42 AM] glazou: :| [8/18/06 12:42 AM] sayrer: ? [8/18/06 12:42 AM] beaufour: we totally still need to hook up at some point and have a drink or something. [8/18/06 12:42 AM] I guess Helsinki smells like smoke because Russia is on fire [8/18/06 12:43 AM] glazou: I would move [8/18/06 12:43 AM] Hannibal: check [8/18/06 12:43 AM] * beaufour has forgotten where Hannibal lives (.nl, yes, but...?) [8/18/06 12:43 AM] Amsterdam [8/18/06 12:43 AM] not too far from here :) [8/18/06 12:44 AM] but I'm busy this weekend and am taking a holiday until august 31 as of august 22. [8/18/06 12:44 AM] maybe the weekend of september 1st? [8/18/06 12:44 AM] well, I'll be in Denmark the next two weeks too :) [8/18/06 12:44 AM] nope, Denmark [8/18/06 12:45 AM] oh, if anyone's likely to be in BUD the last weekend of sep, let me know :) [8/18/06 12:45 AM] we were talking about drinking a Bud ;-) [8/18/06 12:46 AM] -->| lanq (chatzilla@moz-A477A93A.tsinghua.edu.cn) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:46 AM] budapest? [8/18/06 12:47 AM] |<-- NeilZZZ has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 12:48 AM] =-= Ryan is now known as Ryan|zzz [8/18/06 12:49 AM] -->| Neil_ (neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:50 AM] |<-- Hixie has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 12:50 AM] =-= Neil_ is now known as NeilZZZ [8/18/06 12:51 AM] yes [8/18/06 12:54 AM] -->| analogAI (analogAI@moz-12DB77F7.hawaii.res.rr.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:55 AM] -->| tH (r@87.102.36.237) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:55 AM] |<-- analogAI has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Bye) [8/18/06 12:56 AM] lucky man, I love budapest [8/18/06 12:56 AM] * glazou wants to eat "libamaj roston" [8/18/06 12:57 AM] -->| Hixie (ianh@moz-E9FB2A6A.no) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:57 AM] =-= Mode #developers +o Hixie by ChanServ [8/18/06 12:58 AM] hi Hixie [8/18/06 12:58 AM] oh probably auto-rejoin [8/18/06 12:58 AM] hi [8/18/06 12:58 AM] lol [8/18/06 12:58 AM] Hixie: even TV Raman has something against xbl [8/18/06 12:58 AM] the whole w3c is rotten [8/18/06 12:58 AM] hehe [8/18/06 12:59 AM] -->| analogAI (analogAI@moz-12DB77F7.hawaii.res.rr.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 12:59 AM] in the long run, CSS will move to the whatwg [8/18/06 12:59 AM] tv is just annoyed cos xbl uses selectors instead of xpath [8/18/06 12:59 AM] no [8/18/06 12:59 AM] and cos webforms2 is going to wd [8/18/06 12:59 AM] tv is usually much more pragmatic (sp?) than that [8/18/06 12:59 AM] 'pragmatic' seems to be the correct spelling. [8/18/06 12:59 AM] if you say so [8/18/06 1:00 AM] did he change joining google ? [8/18/06 1:00 AM] not as far as i can tell [8/18/06 1:00 AM] =-= rhelmer-afk is now known as rhelmer [8/18/06 1:01 AM] According to tv xforms solves all the problems ;) [8/18/06 1:01 AM] still can't tell a good spec when he sees one? [8/18/06 1:01 AM] * stuart ducks [8/18/06 1:01 AM] =-= Mossop_sleep is now known as Mossop [8/18/06 1:01 AM] xforms cures cancer and saves babies from mozilla programmers [8/18/06 1:01 AM] tv is a fine individual and i am proud to be his colleague [8/18/06 1:01 AM] uh huh [8/18/06 1:02 AM] xforms just stopped the war between israel and lebanon [8/18/06 1:02 AM] Hixie: tv is one of the smartest guys I have ever met [8/18/06 1:02 AM] glazou: you should get out more;) [8/18/06 1:03 AM] stuart: last time I went out, I saw you ; so I'm back home :-) [8/18/06 1:04 AM] :-) [8/18/06 1:07 AM] -->| A`ja (chatzilla@466DCA27.CBEF4A2D.7880DB15.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:08 AM] -->| WeirdAl (chatzilla@moz-F897DC70.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:09 AM] -->| Fufie (lambada@6645D3DE.EEEF76E9.52A1A62D.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:09 AM] |<-- jwatt has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 1:13 AM] anyone know why Bon Echo's Gecko version hasn't been bumped? [8/18/06 1:14 AM] |<-- ssieb_roam has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.73 [SeaMonkey 1.5a/0000000000]) [8/18/06 1:14 AM] it was, in bug 348960 [8/18/06 1:15 AM] -->| hwaara (hwaara@5718B00C.2191EBAD.7EF74A51.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:16 AM] Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1b1) Gecko/20060817 BonEcho/2.0b2 [8/18/06 1:16 AM] hrm [8/18/06 1:16 AM] Build 'Linux balsa-trunk Depend GTK1 (gcc 3.4)' has dropped from the 'Firefox' tinderbox. [8/18/06 1:17 AM] note it's 1.8.1b1...in help about anyway [8/18/06 1:17 AM] same in about: [8/18/06 1:17 AM] ok.. balsa should be back to normal next cycle. [8/18/06 1:18 AM] http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsview2.cgi?diff_mode=context&file=milestone.txt&branch=MOZILLA_1_8_BRANCH&subdir=mozilla/config&command=DIFF_FRAMESET&rev1=3.27.2.6&rev2=3.27.2.7 [8/18/06 1:18 AM] * Mook thinks http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsgraph.cgi?file=mozilla/config/milestone.txt&rev=3.29 is much more readble :p [8/18/06 1:18 AM] hi all [8/18/06 1:19 AM] mook: can you figure out how to make tooltips for cvsgraph work in a couple of browsers? [8/18/06 1:19 AM] afaik it doesn't wokr just about everywhere :( [8/18/06 1:20 AM] maybe it takes a clobber to take effect, and that didn't make the nightly? [8/18/06 1:20 AM] timeless: I'll try, but I probably won't be able to do any useful perl hacking :p [8/18/06 1:21 AM] it should be a js only problem [8/18/06 1:21 AM] =-= smaug is now known as smaugAway [8/18/06 1:21 AM] gavin think maybe you're right....seem to remember that from last go-round now that you mention it [8/18/06 1:22 AM] timeless: also, I've locally got firefox (1.0.x + 1.5.0.x + trunk), opera 9.0.1, and IE 6 (xpsp2) :) [8/18/06 1:22 AM] mook: save the cvsgraph you're looking at to disk [8/18/06 1:22 AM] hack that until it works in your browsers [8/18/06 1:22 AM] (i.e. the html output) [8/18/06 1:22 AM] timeless: exactly how I plan to do it :) [8/18/06 1:22 AM] :) [8/18/06 1:22 AM] * Mook doesn't bother saving the image though, that's what cache is for :p [8/18/06 1:23 AM] bittornado crashed on exit :) [8/18/06 1:23 AM] as long as you got the file, who cares :p [8/18/06 1:23 AM] finding a non-crashy bittorrent client is a hard task, I think [8/18/06 1:23 AM] especially for timeless [8/18/06 1:23 AM] finding a non-crashy software is hard for timeless :p [8/18/06 1:24 AM] =-= rhelmer is now known as rhelmer-afk [8/18/06 1:24 AM] Mozilla1.8: 'Linux balsa Depend Fx-GTK1-GCC3.4' has changed state from Test Failed to Success. [8/18/06 1:25 AM] cool, i have a linu i'm not afraid of :) [8/18/06 1:27 AM] |<-- surkov_ has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Connection reset by peer) [8/18/06 1:27 AM] -->| surkov_ (alexander@9C1D475.30CD62E0.3FA5AA06.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:29 AM] * timeless crashes ie [8/18/06 1:29 AM] err e [8/18/06 1:30 AM] timeless: I use bitcomet on win32. [8/18/06 1:31 AM] apart from that, no clue :) [8/18/06 1:31 AM] well, i only needed to grab one ubuntu vmware image [8/18/06 1:31 AM] I also use bitcomet [8/18/06 1:32 AM] heh [8/18/06 1:32 AM] -->| einpoklum (someone@C660ABD3.83094F8.F42F994A.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:34 AM] which are the main bugs regarding memory leaks? and, specifically, leaks in sm? [8/18/06 1:34 AM] hwaara: big discussion on spinbuttons in #xulfr ; folks just discovered spinbuttons exist, and were extended by neil [8/18/06 1:35 AM] ein: there are no useful bugs [8/18/06 1:36 AM] ein: either install dbaron's leaky extension, or read the leak guide on mozilla.org [8/18/06 1:36 AM] timeless: I'm seeing my sm use 533MB with just an about:blank open right now [8/18/06 1:36 AM] and that's after clearing the cache [8/18/06 1:37 AM] that's nice [8/18/06 1:37 AM] timeless: how zen of you to say that [8/18/06 1:37 AM] i have firefoxes using 388m, 132m, and 236m [8/18/06 1:37 AM] ein: it's not a useful statement [8/18/06 1:37 AM] open a new window and close the old one [8/18/06 1:37 AM] 388m, 132m, and 236m <-- with nothing open ? [8/18/06 1:38 AM] does the number change? [8/18/06 1:38 AM] 533 megabytes on about:blank ?!???? [8/18/06 1:38 AM] nah [8/18/06 1:38 AM] i have dozens of tabs in each [8/18/06 1:38 AM] yes [8/18/06 1:38 AM] and most have a couple of windows and at least one gmail [8/18/06 1:38 AM] i just opened a window and closed the old one [8/18/06 1:38 AM] now it's 534MB :-) [8/18/06 1:38 AM] heh [8/18/06 1:38 AM] install dbaron's leaky first [8/18/06 1:38 AM] I have 12 tabs open with a lot of complex stuff inside, 28 megs [8/18/06 1:39 AM] -->| WizKid (hesslow@8F70941E.A2758F9F.CB45D44D.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:39 AM] -->| JasnaPaka (jasnapaka@A4A24EA4.ED0FA71B.1A5CC7E5.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:39 AM] it's easy enough to use [8/18/06 1:39 AM] maybe we should debug einpoklum's memory consumption reporter first.. [8/18/06 1:39 AM] ein: what os? [8/18/06 1:39 AM] WinXP, checking memory consumption using the task manager [8/18/06 1:40 AM] hmm, consumption just dropped to 465MB [8/18/06 1:40 AM] also, if you go to about:cache does it really say ~0? :) [8/18/06 1:40 AM] memory cache storage in use: 0 KiB [8/18/06 1:41 AM] * timeless tries to remember if there's a way to browse image cache [8/18/06 1:41 AM] isn't the image cache part of the general cache? [8/18/06 1:41 AM] "no" [8/18/06 1:42 AM] fastload isn't listed as part of disk cache either [8/18/06 1:42 AM] and if you want to consider caches, it's a cache [8/18/06 1:43 AM] you should try browsing w/o imagelib some time :) [8/18/06 1:43 AM] it's fun [8/18/06 1:44 AM] so are you really suspecting these 465MB are the image cache? [8/18/06 1:44 AM] Firefox: 'Linux balsa Depend GTK1 (gcc 3.4)' has changed state from Test Failed to Success. [8/18/06 1:44 AM] no [8/18/06 1:44 AM] yeah, thought so [8/18/06 1:45 AM] i do suspect that you're using a normal build w/o dbaron's leaky [8/18/06 1:45 AM] so there's very little i can do from the instance you have [8/18/06 1:45 AM] i'll just file a bug [8/18/06 1:45 AM] about whaT?![Z [8/18/06 1:45 AM] you odn't have steps to reproduce [8/18/06 1:45 AM] * timeless resolves ein as invalid [8/18/06 1:46 AM] about massive leakage [8/18/06 1:46 AM] i'll say i'm "working on" writing steps to reproduce [8/18/06 1:46 AM] that's pointless [8/18/06 1:46 AM] hey, mem usage just jumped to 466MB! [8/18/06 1:46 AM] file a bug when you actually have steps [8/18/06 1:46 AM] without me doing anything with the sm [8/18/06 1:46 AM] it's neatly tucked away in the taskbar [8/18/06 1:46 AM] one 1mb is jitter [8/18/06 1:46 AM] probably a timer [8/18/06 1:47 AM] now it's 465.9MB [8/18/06 1:47 AM] -->| PJCoudert (Pierre-Jea@3BEC155F.DD277555.26D895A5.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:47 AM] we don't need more useless bugs, we have quite enough thank you [8/18/06 1:47 AM] do you think windows could be lying so badly about the mem usage? [8/18/06 1:47 AM] no [8/18/06 1:48 AM] but i don't think you file bugs saying "this thing is too big" [8/18/06 1:48 AM] you file bug ssaying "i found this specific thing which shouldn't be there, and removing it makes me happier" [8/18/06 1:48 AM] |<-- NeilZZZ has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 1:49 AM] i want to file a "this is ridiculous, heads should be rolling" bug :-) [8/18/06 1:50 AM] einpoklum: you do that and people will interpret you to mean your own head :) [8/18/06 1:50 AM] * Mook kicks IE [8/18/06 1:50 AM] -->| Neil_ (neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 1:50 AM] cvsgraph would be so much easier if we didn't need to worry about IE :p [8/18/06 1:50 AM] heh, i just closed the last window [8/18/06 1:50 AM] and the process is still active with 467MB mem usage [8/18/06 1:50 AM] it'll take some time to clean up [8/18/06 1:51 AM] gecko doesn't do an ungraceful quit [8/18/06 1:51 AM] unlike .net which doesn't guarantee object destruction [8/18/06 1:51 AM] or w2k which doesn't guarantee proper network disconnect [8/18/06 1:51 AM] timeless: why on earth do we need a graceful quit, if we don't have any files open for writing? [8/18/06 1:51 AM] and we're not connected anywhere [8/18/06 1:52 AM] we literally have no clue what is running in a gecko process [8/18/06 1:52 AM] and we've made promises about how we'll behave [8/18/06 1:52 AM] i think it's gonna just stay there and not die at all [8/18/06 1:52 AM] and how do you know it doesn't need to flush cookies, bookmarks, history, or prefs to disk? [8/18/06 1:52 AM] that's certainly possible [8/18/06 1:53 AM] timeless: because it had plenty of time to do that while it was being idle with just an about:blank [8/18/06 1:53 AM] we're not that logical [8/18/06 1:53 AM] are you saying there aren't timed flushes of bookmarks, history, cookies and prefs? [8/18/06 1:53 AM] and again, we have no idea what things might be floating around [8/18/06 1:53 AM] i think some of them have switched to "i'm not going to write anything until i quit, because i know better" [8/18/06 1:54 AM] i'm not sure, but it hardly matters [8/18/06 1:54 AM] we've promised an orderly shut down [8/18/06 1:54 AM] ""i'm not going to write anything until i quit" <- that ain't right [8/18/06 1:54 AM] * timeless shrugs [8/18/06 1:54 AM] not my code, not my product, not for me to express much of an opinion :) [8/18/06 1:55 AM] =-= Neil_ is now known as NeilZZZ [8/18/06 1:55 AM] timeless: but that's meaningless if you don't have anything to write or network connections to deal with... it's just the internal memory state of the process; there's nothing unorderly about a simple _exit() in this situation... right? [8/18/06 1:55 AM] anyone here familiar w/ vmware's appliances directory? [8/18/06 1:55 AM] NO!!!! [8/18/06 1:55 AM] einpoklum, xpcom simply does not know that. [8/18/06 1:55 AM] let me repeat [8/18/06 1:55 AM] how hard is that to grasp [8/18/06 1:55 AM] we have no idea what's running in our process [8/18/06 1:55 AM] there could be an extension that likes to write out a quote of the day at shut down [8/18/06 1:56 AM] in that case, I'm opening a bug on just that [8/18/06 1:56 AM] and that's perfectly legal [8/18/06 1:56 AM] * timeless resolves ein as invalid [8/18/06 1:56 AM] timeless: you mean wontfix [8/18/06 1:56 AM] no, you're invalid [8/18/06 1:56 AM] and your bug is too [8/18/06 1:56 AM] we can't break our promises [8/18/06 1:57 AM] it's not that we choose not to do what you want, we have no choice and telling us to do so is not a valid request [8/18/06 1:57 AM] "we have no choice" <--- that's a design decision; [8/18/06 1:58 AM] it was a design decission years ago [8/18/06 1:58 AM] it's now a contract [8/18/06 1:58 AM] it is no longer subject to interpretation, negotiation, discussion, or bug filing [8/18/06 1:58 AM] "it's not a bug, it's a feature" [8/18/06 1:58 AM] precisely. [8/18/06 1:58 AM] einpoklum, why don't you just write your own extension which calls exit(); [8/18/06 1:58 AM] heck, why bother [8/18/06 1:58 AM] contracts can change; extensions can be made to have to 'say' somehow that they want to do something at shutdown [8/18/06 1:59 AM] every os i've met has an end process feature [8/18/06 1:59 AM] |<-- sayrer has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 1:59 AM] (e.g. shutdown event listeners) [8/18/06 1:59 AM] if you want your app to quit faster, just kill it [8/18/06 1:59 AM] and then if you don't have any shutdown event listeners then you know you can just die [8/18/06 1:59 AM] no need to bloat gecko w/ something like that [8/18/06 1:59 AM] contracts can *NOT* change [8/18/06 1:59 AM] timeless: ?? [8/18/06 2:00 AM] once they're made, they last forever [8/18/06 2:00 AM] timeless: yeah, just like marriage, right? [8/18/06 2:00 AM] no [8/18/06 2:00 AM] more like diamonds [8/18/06 2:01 AM] ein: so here's the thing [8/18/06 2:01 AM] we don't just have shut down listeners [8/18/06 2:01 AM] we have services, which we guarantee we will destroy as part of shut down [8/18/06 2:01 AM] ok, good enough [8/18/06 2:01 AM] and when we do that, they can do whatever they want as long as what they want to do lets them [8/18/06 2:01 AM] |<-- dolske has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 2:01 AM] that's not good enough [8/18/06 2:01 AM] in order to reach that point, we have to properly shut down everything else first [8/18/06 2:02 AM] how about a timeout on extensions shutting down? [8/18/06 2:02 AM] (or 'services', not sure what that means) [8/18/06 2:02 AM] go read about xpcom [8/18/06 2:02 AM] oh, services as in single-instance classes, [8/18/06 2:02 AM] get out of #developers [8/18/06 2:02 AM] ah, those, right [8/18/06 2:02 AM] * timeless grumbles [8/18/06 2:02 AM] if you want to whine about leaks uselessly, there are dozens of channels you may use [8/18/06 2:02 AM] but not this one [8/18/06 2:03 AM] install leaky, get a dialog from it and come back here and we can talk about how you can fix the leak it indicated [8/18/06 2:03 AM] timeless: you could have just told me to do that at the beginning X-| [8/18/06 2:04 AM] i'm pretty sure i tried a number of times [8/18/06 2:04 AM] -->| dolske (dolske@moz-A0E8DF5E.insight.res.rr.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:04 AM] * einpoklum searches the log [8/18/06 2:04 AM] hmm, so you did, I guess I should learn to read [8/18/06 2:04 AM] > ein: either install dbaron's leaky extension, or read the leak guide on [8/18/06 2:04 AM] +mozilla.org [8/18/06 2:04 AM] thank you. [8/18/06 2:04 AM] -->| jwatt (roslea@jwatt.irc.users.mozilla.org) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:05 AM] |<-- yason has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 2:06 AM] -->| yason (yason@moz-5E2C022F.hybrid.fi) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:06 AM] |<-- daim has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 2:07 AM] timeless: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/68 ? :) [8/18/06 2:07 AM] i'm off to lunch [8/18/06 2:07 AM] seems to work on the browsers I have access to; it's really, really ugly, but hey :) [8/18/06 2:07 AM] oh, that's fine, no hurry, just try not to forget :) [8/18/06 2:08 AM] and sorry about the highlighting, I couldn't find an option for diff :p [8/18/06 2:10 AM] rofl [8/18/06 2:10 AM] http://www.thedailywtf.com/images/200608/dell.jpg [8/18/06 2:10 AM] -->| Wevah (Wevah@moz-1BCA74A2.cloudnet.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:11 AM] |<-- yason has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 2:11 AM] or even worse: http://www.thedailywtf.com/images/200608/wtf2.jpg [8/18/06 2:12 AM] -->| yason (yason@moz-5E2C022F.hybrid.fi) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:13 AM] -->| analogAI_ (analogAI@moz-12DB77F7.hawaii.res.rr.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:14 AM] -->| Krelin (Krelin@moz-454FFD85.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:14 AM] =-= Krelin is now known as krelin [8/18/06 2:14 AM] =-= krelin is now known as crowder [8/18/06 2:15 AM] |<-- analogAI has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 2:15 AM] |<-- analogAI_ has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Bye) [8/18/06 2:20 AM] -->| bjacques (bjacques@734EC97A.688B681D.9F751283.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:22 AM] -->| daim (David_Mart@D097CE55.27AFCF4E.17F8174C.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:23 AM] -->| KaiRo (robert@F6A5DD55.1B475606.C8C62208.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:23 AM] -->| mmc (mmc@F68F47D4.558E639C.7B9B4A09.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:27 AM] |<-- lanq has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]) [8/18/06 2:28 AM] -->| stephank (stephank@1F4B3E62.378D8D43.6513BA0F.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:31 AM] -->| PikeMac (chatzilla@moz-BB997CDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:32 AM] |<-- A`ja has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.73-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9a1/2006042715]) [8/18/06 2:33 AM] Hixie: rofl [8/18/06 2:40 AM] -->| plasticmillion (chatzilla@5E12EA1A.1AFA5C43.5DC06702.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:41 AM] Hannibal: wifi is annoying [8/18/06 2:41 AM] there's something about a wire that's very comforting [8/18/06 2:42 AM] <--| einpoklum has left #developers [8/18/06 2:42 AM] hehe [8/18/06 2:42 AM] probably it evokes subconscious memories of the womb and umbilical cord ;-) [8/18/06 2:42 AM] mook: was the script type really an issue? [8/18/06 2:42 AM] -->| fqueze (fqueze@moz-5A4072B.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:43 AM] timeless: yes; IE didn't run the script with the type in there [8/18/06 2:43 AM] hixie: do most html ua's that pretend to know some css understand position:absolute? [8/18/06 2:43 AM] plasticmillion: you drunk too much yesterday night ? [8/18/06 2:43 AM] glazou: no, I'm always like this :-) [8/18/06 2:44 AM] scary:-) [8/18/06 2:44 AM] glazou: ^^ question to you too if you can answer it [8/18/06 2:44 AM] no I did not drink at all yesterday [8/18/06 2:44 AM] * timeless wonders how to find the password for [8/18/06 2:44 AM] glazou: about position:absolute [8/18/06 2:44 AM] * timeless wonders how to find the password for ... an ubuntu linux [8/18/06 2:45 AM] * Mook is pretty sure position: absolute at least works lots better than position: fixed :p [8/18/06 2:45 AM] has anyone ever cracked a ff master passwd ? [8/18/06 2:46 AM] glazou: if it's properly encrypted? [8/18/06 2:46 AM] =-= surkov is now known as surkovOff [8/18/06 2:46 AM] I'm asking because we have here in france a guy who died climbing a mountain last week, and the only passwd her wife cannot find is the ff master passwd ; and that's very problematic [8/18/06 2:47 AM] timeless: no way to reboot your ubuntu in "single user mode" or equivalent ? [8/18/06 2:47 AM] glazou: dunno [8/18/06 2:48 AM] mook: pastebin.mozilla.org/69 [8/18/06 2:48 AM] i got that when i logged in a minute ago [8/18/06 2:50 AM] lol [8/18/06 2:50 AM] hrm, i think i broke vmware player [8/18/06 2:50 AM] hrm, sayrer: did we ever find a contact for samsung? [8/18/06 2:51 AM] glazou: there's a recovery mode [8/18/06 2:51 AM] think that will give me root? :) [8/18/06 2:52 AM] * glazou remembers the single user mode of sunos that did not need a passwd :-) [8/18/06 2:52 AM] been there, used that [8/18/06 2:52 AM] yeah, recovery mode made me root [8/18/06 2:52 AM] w/o passwd ? [8/18/06 2:52 AM] yep :) [8/18/06 2:52 AM] LOL [8/18/06 2:53 AM] |<-- stephank has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 2:53 AM] still exists eh [8/18/06 2:53 AM] fascinating [8/18/06 2:53 AM] it's a feature [8/18/06 2:53 AM] yeah [8/18/06 2:53 AM] oh, this is ubuntu i'm talking about now [8/18/06 2:53 AM] not solaris [8/18/06 2:53 AM] even if it's not, you just have to use a live linux on cd [8/18/06 2:53 AM] i haven't forgotten the solaris root password on my workstation [8/18/06 2:53 AM] and mount the disks [8/18/06 2:55 AM] |<-- NeilZZZ has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 2:56 AM] -->| Neil_ (neil@moz-228E8524.lutn.cable.ntl.com) has joined #developers [8/18/06 2:56 AM] =-= Neil_ is now known as NeilZZZ [8/18/06 2:58 AM] |<-- Hannibal has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: gone ( http://gijs.codingo.org/blog/ )) [8/18/06 2:58 AM] heh [8/18/06 2:58 AM] i'm running ubuntu5.10 disk image [8/18/06 2:59 AM] and it's offering to upgrade me to ubuntu6.x [8/18/06 3:00 AM] oops [8/18/06 3:00 AM] it didn't actually work :) [8/18/06 3:00 AM] unable to get exclusive lock [8/18/06 3:01 AM] =-= smaugAway is now known as smaug [8/18/06 3:02 AM] oh, heh [8/18/06 3:02 AM] README-vmware-image listed the root account name/password [8/18/06 3:02 AM] oh well :) [8/18/06 3:04 AM] |<-- beaufour has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 3:12 AM] -->| beaufour (beaufour@183BDF58.599B7C47.C7DB8B78.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 3:12 AM] glazou? [8/18/06 3:12 AM] does cvsgraph work for you today? [8/18/06 3:13 AM] glazou, /public_html/mook.bgr [8/18/06 3:13 AM] erm [8/18/06 3:13 AM] http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsgraph.cgi?file=mozilla/content/base/public/nsINodeInfo.h [8/18/06 3:14 AM] looking [8/18/06 3:14 AM] WFM [8/18/06 3:14 AM] and fast [8/18/06 3:14 AM] =-= glazou is now known as glazou_lunch [8/18/06 3:14 AM] bbl [8/18/06 3:14 AM] what browser are you using? [8/18/06 3:15 AM] because it doesn't work for me on my small screen [8/18/06 3:15 AM] the message is always to the far right of the image and pinned at the top of the window [8/18/06 3:16 AM] ff1506 [8/18/06 3:16 AM] if my window is smaller than the image (which happens often) [8/18/06 3:16 AM] i'm using ff1506 too [8/18/06 3:16 AM] make your window half the widget of the imjage [8/18/06 3:16 AM] brb [8/18/06 3:17 AM] glazou_lunch: he's asking about the tooltip thingies [8/18/06 3:17 AM] * Mook afks [8/18/06 3:17 AM] ah yes tooltips are off screen [8/18/06 3:17 AM] * glazou_lunch really goes to lunch [8/18/06 3:18 AM] in fact they're at the right of the rightmost object in the page... [8/18/06 3:18 AM] bas positioning... [8/18/06 3:18 AM] ttyl [8/18/06 3:20 AM] glazou: thanks, i'm going to use a replacement fix from mook [8/18/06 3:20 AM] it'll generate a bit of mail to you [8/18/06 3:26 AM] -->| Pike (Axel_Hecht@moz-BB997CDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #developers [8/18/06 3:26 AM] |<-- PikeMac has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Client exited) [8/18/06 3:32 AM] |<-- beaufour has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Input/output error) [8/18/06 3:34 AM] -->| beaufour (beaufour@183BDF58.599B7C47.C7DB8B78.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 3:44 AM] -->| stephank (stephank@moz-EC1310D8.speed.planet.nl) has joined #developers [8/18/06 3:46 AM] =-= glazou_lunch is now known as glazou [8/18/06 3:47 AM] =-= Fallen|away is now known as xFallenAngel [8/18/06 3:49 AM] timeless: you want a fix ? [8/18/06 3:50 AM] timeless: view source of that file [8/18/06 3:51 AM] timeless: and replace the two following lines [8/18/06 3:51 AM] SeaMonkey: 'Linux btek Depend' has changed state from Success to Burning. [8/18/06 3:51 AM] s/two/one [8/18/06 3:51 AM] r.style.left = l.offsetLeft + l.offsetWidth + 20 [8/18/06 3:51 AM] with [8/18/06 3:51 AM] r.style.right = 0; [8/18/06 3:51 AM] glazou: bug 349129 [8/18/06 3:51 AM] r.style.maxWidth = 300 [8/18/06 3:51 AM] Mook: ok [8/18/06 3:52 AM] yeah, that's even better [8/18/06 3:52 AM] |<-- asac has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 3:52 AM] |<-- wgianopoulos has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.8.0.4/2006060814]) [8/18/06 3:52 AM] my fix still positions at topright of viewport [8/18/06 3:54 AM] right, I was going to do that, except IE still doesn't seem to like position:fixed :) [8/18/06 3:59 AM] |<-- a-865 has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [SeaMonkey 1.5a/2006081601]) [8/18/06 4:08 AM] -->| a-865 (fmcz@moz-39AC71E7.ij.net) has joined #developers [8/18/06 4:08 AM] |<-- fqueze has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 4:10 AM] * glazou refrains from being impolite about IE [8/18/06 4:11 AM] SeaMonkey: 'Linux btek Depend' has changed state from Burning to Success. [8/18/06 4:12 AM] I just figured making it IE compatible would be nice in case no builds of gecko was available (e.g. bad patch)... :) [8/18/06 4:15 AM] |<-- Jesse_ has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Jesse_) [8/18/06 4:16 AM] |<-- gaoming has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 4:16 AM] |<-- crowder has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 4:16 AM] hsivonen: I replied to your last www-style msg [8/18/06 4:17 AM] How would one refer to stdin in a URL? [8/18/06 4:17 AM] you cannot do that [8/18/06 4:17 AM] ok, thanks [8/18/06 4:18 AM] -->| mw22_away (chatzilla@moz-8DF54897.adsl.wanadoo.nl) has joined #developers [8/18/06 4:18 AM] and that's quite fortunate because any bug there would be a major security threat ! [8/18/06 4:18 AM] hm.. how do you see that? [8/18/06 4:18 AM] a web page reading your kbd ?? [8/18/06 4:19 AM] well [8/18/06 4:19 AM] you can refer to a file: in a URL [8/18/06 4:19 AM] and that doesn't mean that any web page can read a file [8/18/06 4:19 AM] well, a web page can't read file:///etc/passwd either, so I imagine the case for stdin would be similar [8/18/06 4:19 AM] he said stdin [8/18/06 4:19 AM] sure [8/18/06 4:19 AM] stdin is a file, on every operating system I've used [8/18/06 4:20 AM] glazou: not all free commercial font lookalikes are illegal [8/18/06 4:20 AM] sure, a normal security model would prevent a web page to read that [8/18/06 4:20 AM] but also, being able to express it as a URL doesn't mean that a web page can read it [8/18/06 4:20 AM] which was really my point [8/18/06 4:20 AM] hsivonen: I know, but a lot, really a lot are [8/18/06 4:20 AM] right [8/18/06 4:20 AM] bjacques: file:///dev/stdin ? [8/18/06 4:20 AM] glazou: but I don't know the statistics [8/18/06 4:20 AM] -->| asac (asac@moz-C4FAAC4A.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #developers [8/18/06 4:21 AM] hsivonen: last time I looked for a "free copy" of an existing commercial font, the set I browsed contained hundreds of illegal copies [8/18/06 4:21 AM] though I think manipulating stdin from content is a bad idea for reasons of event processing and responsiveness [8/18/06 4:22 AM] glazou: copies as in copies of font files or lookalikes with different names? [8/18/06 4:22 AM] lookalikes [8/18/06 4:22 AM] very high quality lookalikes [8/18/06 4:22 AM] so illegal [8/18/06 4:23 AM] glazou: that's not the rule [8/18/06 4:23 AM] -->| Krelin (Krelin@moz-454FFD85.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #developers [8/18/06 4:23 AM] glazou: the Ghostscript core fonts are high-quality [8/18/06 4:23 AM] glazou: and legal in the U.S. [8/18/06 4:24 AM] glazou: no case law or statute in the E.U. afaik [8/18/06 4:24 AM] it depends on the legal state of the font, and what parts are protected, yeah [8/18/06 4:24 AM] there was a great case about this like 15 years ago [8/18/06 4:24 AM] and I cannot for the life of me remember the name of it [8/18/06 4:24 AM] I blame morning [8/18/06 4:26 AM] there's a Florida company whose business is selling lookalikes of Adobe fonts. they have pointer to the U.S. legal material [8/18/06 4:27 AM] glazou: http://ssifonts.com/myths2.HTM [8/18/06 4:28 AM] http://ssifonts.com/myths.HTM has all the links. hasn't been updated in a while, though [8/18/06 4:29 AM] wow [8/18/06 4:29 AM] =-= stevee^afk is now known as stevee [8/18/06 4:31 AM] |<-- dolphinling has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Going to college! Computer back online *hopefully* under 24 hours) [8/18/06 4:39 AM] Build 'MacOSX Darwin 8.1.0 xserve03 Depend Cairo-Cocoa' has dropped from the 'Firefox-Cairo' tinderbox. [8/18/06 4:39 AM] Build 'MacOSX Darwin 8.1.0 xserve03 Depend Cocoa' has dropped from the 'Firefox-Cairo' tinderbox. [8/18/06 4:45 AM] |<-- stephank has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 4:52 AM] |<-- graydon has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 4:55 AM] -->| stephank (stephank@moz-EC1310D8.speed.planet.nl) has joined #developers [8/18/06 4:55 AM] what's the preferred way to break in debugger (XCode) in a method that is in a .h file? [8/18/06 4:55 AM] -->| Sander (me@moz-89A81292.speed.planet.nl) has joined #developers [8/18/06 4:59 AM] * glazou reads the "Definitely Not" paragraph of http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/18/34OPcringely_1.html and laughs [8/18/06 4:59 AM] -->| graydon (graydon@moz-4322C8E6.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #developers [8/18/06 5:03 AM] |<-- JasnaPaka has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Quit: Kdo zna, vi.) [8/18/06 5:08 AM] |<-- PJCoudert has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 5:09 AM] -->| gaoming (chatzilla@64D3723C.770FC355.6439CC76.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 5:10 AM] -->| PJCoudert (Pierre-Jea@12BC54C7.FB600A1B.915A849A.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 5:11 AM] * Pike wonders which gut feeling the name "Remora" is supposed to resemble [8/18/06 5:12 AM] it has the letters "A", "M", and "O" in it [8/18/06 5:13 AM] and it's something that attaches to a bigger something to thrive [8/18/06 5:13 AM] it's also something that has, IMO, very little risk of being used in press materials [8/18/06 5:13 AM] |<-- mw22_away has left irc.mozilla.org:6697 (Ping timeout) [8/18/06 5:15 AM] ah, wikipedia teaches me about "remora" [8/18/06 5:16 AM] is Remora a code name for something? [8/18/06 5:17 AM] wow, w3 is down [8/18/06 5:17 AM] -->| trev (trev@4CC807DD.D80B8ABF.C3959BB0.IP) has joined #developers [8/18/06 5:18 AM] do we have an owner for domi now? 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